>> jonathan is so right. gm bailout helped obama win ohio in the polls. where was the message? >> in passing. that's the key. in passing. >> there was the lovefest of states rights but we didn't talk about the dark side of state's rights like when rights get infringed on with women, immigrants and poor folks. so that lovefest. >> different obama a little credit. in the last half hour he seemed to wake up. sleep for the first hour and in the last half hour -- trouble is the conservative guy did well. obama did score on medicare vouchers. >> why does he have a coherent set of paragraphs like romney did. that basically make his case for what he's doing with the economy. sure he says nice things about teachers and some other stuff. infrastructure in a vague way but there was no boom, boom, boom. romney had that five-point plan to start with. it was effective. and then another five points. >> the preparation wasn't good enough. it wasn't that they didn't practice enough they didn't have a strategy for the debate. >> and they needed to execute -- >> all three of you one at a time. wh